Anyone play texas holdem?

[MargeC]

I love it. I'm back on Party Poker which has quite bad blind structures but the players are awful. Here I am at the end of a sit n go (mini 6 person tournament), I'm 'slimfandango'. Everyone has a low 'M' (the stacksize of chips relative to the blinds (forced bets from 2 players, on rotation). You have to know when to move with two good cards, you cannot really afford to call and miss. Do this twice and you're out. I made (maybe) a questionable call against a solid player, ended up on my butt, but managed to come back. This is into the action about 40 minutes in, 3 players left, 2 positions pay. It was pretty exciting . At the end, mostly about the info you gathered on how your opponent plays paying off. This guy is viewing my limping on the button (instead of raising) as weakness, thus the frequent 'all ins'. He goes all in with big hands also, which is great play (keeps me guessing). I get very lucky with QT against QQ, I have about 12 percent chance of winning, preflop.
The all in at the end (equal stacked) by him with 22 is very bad play. I had to call with a good pocket pair, although I based this decision mostly on how long it took him to make the move, about 6 seconds, which is often a move done on 'shaky ground'. Had it been 2 seconds I may not have called.

***** Hand History for Game 6163711375 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:21:09 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (7590)
Seat 3: slimfandango (2070)
Seat 4: sandart5 (2340)
faboulousfab posts small blind (200)
slimfandango posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 4s, Jc ]
sandart5 folds.
faboulousfab folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 400

faboulousfab balance 7390, lost 200 (folded)
slimfandango balance 2270, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
sandart5 balance 2340, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163711683 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:21:16 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (7390)
Seat 3: slimfandango (2270)
Seat 4: sandart5 (2340)
slimfandango posts small blind (200)
sandart5 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Qc, 6d ]
faboulousfab folds.
slimfandango raises (2070) to 2270
slimfandango is all-In.
sandart5 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $800 with slimfandango
** Summary **
Main Pot: 800

faboulousfab balance 7390, didn't bet (folded)
slimfandango balance 2670, bet 2270, collected 2670, net +400
sandart5 balance 1940, lost 400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163712362 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:21:31 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (7390)
Seat 3: slimfandango (2670)
Seat 4: sandart5 (1940)
sandart5 posts small blind (200)
faboulousfab posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 8s, Jd ]
slimfandango folds.
sandart5 raises (1740) to 1940
sandart5 is all-In.
faboulousfab folds.
Creating Main Pot with $800 with sandart5
** Summary **
Main Pot: 800

faboulousfab balance 6990, lost 400 (folded)
slimfandango balance 2670, didn't bet (folded)
sandart5 balance 2340, bet 1940, collected 2340, net +400

***** Hand History for Game 6163712991 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:21:45 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (6990)
Seat 3: slimfandango (2670)
Seat 4: sandart5 (2340)
faboulousfab posts small blind (200)
slimfandango posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Ad, 9h ]
sandart5 raises (2340) to 2340
sandart5 is all-In.
faboulousfab folds.
slimfandango calls (1940)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, 9s, Qd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ac ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
Creating Main Pot with $4880 with sandart5
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4880
Board: [ Kd 9s Qd Ac 4c ]

faboulousfab balance 6790, lost 200 (folded)
slimfandango balance 330, lost 2340 [ Ad 9h ] [ two pairs, Aces and Nines -- Ad,Ac,Kd,9h,9s ]
sandart5 balance 4880, bet 2340, collected 4880, net +2540 [ Qs Qc ] [ three of a kind, Queens -- Ac,Kd,Qs,Qc,Qd ]

***** Hand History for Game 6163713630 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:21:59 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (6790)
Seat 3: slimfandango (330)
Seat 4: sandart5 (4880)
slimfandango posts small blind (200)
sandart5 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 8h, Td ]
faboulousfab calls (400)
slimfandango calls (130)
slimfandango is all-In.
sandart5 checks.
Creating Main Pot with $990 with slimfandango
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, 6h, 2h ]
sandart5 checks.
faboulousfab checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
sandart5 checks.
faboulousfab checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]
sandart5 checks.
faboulousfab checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 990 | Side Pot 1: 140
Board: [ Ts 6h 2h 6d Qh ]

faboulousfab balance 6390, lost 400 [ 7h 8c ] [ a pair of Sixes -- Qh,Ts,8c,6h,6d ]

slimfandango balance 990, bet 330, collected 990, net +660 [ 8h Td ] [ two pairs, Tens and Sixes -- Qh,Td,Ts,6h,6d ]
sandart5 balance 4620, bet 400, collected 140, lost -260 [ As 3c ] [ a pair of Sixes with Ace kicker -- As,Qh,Ts,6h,6dAs(kicker card) ]

***** Hand History for Game 6163714590 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:22:20 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (6390)
Seat 3: slimfandango (990)
Seat 4: sandart5 (4620)
sandart5 posts small blind (200)
faboulousfab posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Jh, 3c ]
slimfandango folds.
sandart5 calls (200)
faboulousfab checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 7d, Tc ]
sandart5 checks.
faboulousfab bets (400)
sandart5 raises (1200) to 1200
faboulousfab folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1600
Board: [ Qc 7d Tc ]

faboulousfab balance 5590, lost 800 (folded)
slimfandango balance 990, didn't bet (folded)
sandart5 balance 5420, bet 1600, collected 2400, net +800

***** Hand History for Game 6163715617 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:22:43 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (5590)
Seat 3: slimfandango (990)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5420)
faboulousfab posts small blind (200)
slimfandango posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 5d, Ac ]
sandart5 folds.
faboulousfab raises (600) to 800
slimfandango calls (400)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 7s, Ks ]
faboulousfab bets (400)
slimfandango calls (190)
slimfandango is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ad ]
Creating Main Pot with $1980 with slimfandango
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1980
Board: [ 2h 7s Ks 3h Ad ]

faboulousfab balance 4600, bet 1200, collected 210, lost -990 [ 7h Qd ] [ a pair of Sevens -- Ad,Ks,Qd,7h,7s ]
slimfandango balance 1980, bet 990, collected 1980, net +990 [ 5d Ac ] [ a pair of Aces -- Ac,Ad,Ks,7s,5d ]
sandart5 balance 5420, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163716314 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:22:58 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (4600)
Seat 3: slimfandango (1980)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5420)
slimfandango posts small blind (200)
sandart5 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 6d, 3c ]
faboulousfab folds.
slimfandango folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 400

faboulousfab balance 4600, didn't bet (folded)
slimfandango balance 1780, lost 200 (folded)
sandart5 balance 5620, bet 400, collected 600, net +200 [ Jh Kd ] [ high card King -- Kd,Jh ]

***** Hand History for Game 6163717042 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:23:14 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (4600)
Seat 3: slimfandango (1780)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5620)
sandart5 posts small blind (200)
faboulousfab posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 7c, Qc ]
slimfandango raises (1780) to 1780
slimfandango is all-In.
sandart5 folds.
faboulousfab calls (1380)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qd, 9s, 5c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ks ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 9c ]
Creating Main Pot with $3760 with slimfandango
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3760
Board: [ Qd 9s 5c Ks 9c ]

faboulousfab balance 2820, lost 1780 [ Jc As ] [ a pair of Nines -- As,Ks,Qd,9s,9c ]
slimfandango balance 3760, bet 1780, collected 3760, net +1980 [ 7c Qc ] [ two pairs, Queens and Nines -- Ks,Qc,Qd,9s,9c ]
sandart5 balance 5420, lost 200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163717909 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:23:30 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (2820)
Seat 3: slimfandango (3760)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5420)
faboulousfab posts small blind (200)
slimfandango posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 8s, 2h ]
sandart5 folds.
faboulousfab folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 400

faboulousfab balance 2620, lost 200 (folded)
slimfandango balance 3960, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
sandart5 balance 5420, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163718350 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:23:39 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (2620)
Seat 3: slimfandango (3960)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5420)
slimfandango posts small blind (200)
sandart5 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Ah, 4h ]
faboulousfab folds.
slimfandango calls (200)
sandart5 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 5h, 4d ]
slimfandango bets (400)
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 800
Board: [ 9h 5h 4d ]

faboulousfab balance 2620, didn't bet (folded)
slimfandango balance 4360, bet 800, collected 1200, net +400
sandart5 balance 5020, lost 400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163719070 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:23:53 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (2620)
Seat 3: slimfandango (4360)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5020)
sandart5 posts small blind (200)
faboulousfab posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Jd, Ks ]
slimfandango folds.
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 400

faboulousfab balance 2820, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
slimfandango balance 4360, didn't bet (folded)
sandart5 balance 4820, lost 200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163719570 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:24:02 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (2820)
Seat 3: slimfandango (4360)
Seat 4: sandart5 (4820)
faboulousfab posts small blind (200)
slimfandango posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Tc, Ks ]
sandart5 raises (1200) to 1200
faboulousfab folds.
slimfandango folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1000

faboulousfab balance 2620, lost 200 (folded)
slimfandango balance 3960, lost 400 (folded)
sandart5 balance 5420, bet 1200, collected 1800, net +600

***** Hand History for Game 6163720622 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:24:21 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (2620)
Seat 3: slimfandango (3960)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5420)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 6d, Ts ]
faboulousfab raises (1200) to 1200
slimfandango folds.
sandart5 calls (600)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, Kd, Js ]
sandart5 checks.
faboulousfab checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ As ]
sandart5 checks.
faboulousfab bets (1200)
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2700
Board: [ 4s Kd Js As ]

faboulousfab balance 4120, bet 2400, collected 3900, net +1500
slimfandango balance 3660, lost 300 (folded)
sandart5 balance 4220, lost 1200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163722439 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:24:54 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (4120)
Seat 3: slimfandango (3660)
Seat 4: sandart5 (4220)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
faboulousfab posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Ad, 5h ]
slimfandango raises (3600) to 3600
sandart5 folds.
faboulousfab folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1500

faboulousfab balance 3520, lost 600 (folded)
slimfandango balance 4560, bet 3600, collected 4500, net +900
sandart5 balance 3920, lost 300 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163723029 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:25:06 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (3520)
Seat 3: slimfandango (4560)
Seat 4: sandart5 (3920)
faboulousfab posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 9c, 7h ]
sandart5 folds.
faboulousfab raises (1500) to 1800
slimfandango folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200

faboulousfab balance 4120, bet 1800, collected 2400, net +600
slimfandango balance 3960, lost 600 (folded)
sandart5 balance 3920, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163723842 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:25:21 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (4120)
Seat 3: slimfandango (3960)
Seat 4: sandart5 (3920)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 6s, 6c ]
faboulousfab raises (1800) to 1800
slimfandango folds.
sandart5 raises (3320) to 3920
sandart5 is all-In.
faboulousfab calls (2120)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, Kc, 6d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Th ]
Creating Main Pot with $8140 with sandart5
** Summary **
Main Pot: 8140
Board: [ Jd Kc 6d 9d Th ]

faboulousfab balance 200, lost 3920 [ Ah 8h ] [ high card Ace -- Ah,Kc,Jd,Th,9d ]
slimfandango balance 3660, lost 300 (folded)
sandart5 balance 8140, bet 3920, collected 8140, net +4220 [ Ad Ts ] [ a pair of Tens -- Ad,Kc,Jd,Ts,Th ]

***** Hand History for Game 6163724908 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:25:41 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: faboulousfab (200)
Seat 3: slimfandango (3660)
Seat 4: sandart5 (8140)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
faboulousfab posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 2d, Ad ]
slimfandango folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7s, 4d, 4s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Kc ]
Creating Main Pot with $400 with faboulousfab
** Summary **
Main Pot: 400
Board: [ 7s 4d 4s Tc Kc ]

faboulousfab balance 0, lost 200 [ 9d 3c ] [ a pair of Fours -- Kc,Tc,9d,4d,4s ]
slimfandango balance 3660, didn't bet (folded)
sandart5 balance 8340, bet 300, collected 500, net +200 [ Ks 3h ] [ two pairs, Kings and Fours -- Ks,Kc,Tc,4d,4s ]

***** Hand History for Game 6163725611 *****
faboulousfab finished in 3 place.
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:25:55 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (3660)
Seat 4: sandart5 (8340)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 4h, Qc ]
sandart5 raises (5100) to 5400
slimfandango: long goddam last
slimfandango: great training those ones
sandart5: hehe
slimfandango folds.
sandart5: took ages:)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200

slimfandango balance 3060, lost 600 (folded)
sandart5 balance 8940, bet 5400, collected 6000, net +600

***** Hand History for Game 6163726902 *****
slimfandango: god yeah
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:26:21 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (3060)
Seat 4: sandart5 (8940)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Th, 4d ]
slimfandango: big swings
slimfandango: i was nearly out
slimfandango: he was chip lead
slimfandango: then out
sandart5: yea
slimfandango folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600

slimfandango balance 2760, lost 300 (folded)
sandart5 balance 9240, bet 600, collected 900, net +300 [ Ad 7h ] [ high card Ace -- Ad,7h ]

***** Hand History for Game 6163728116 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:26:45 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (2760)
Seat 4: sandart5 (9240)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Tc, Qh ]
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600

slimfandango balance 3060, bet 600, collected 900, net +300
sandart5 balance 8940, lost 300 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163728435 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:26:52 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (3060)
Seat 4: sandart5 (8940)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Ts, Qs ]
slimfandango raises (2700) to 3000
sandart5 raises (4800) to 5400
slimfandango calls (60)
slimfandango is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kc, Ad, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Jh ]
Creating Main Pot with $6120 with slimfandango
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6120
Board: [ Kc Ad 3c 5d Jh ]

slimfandango balance 6120, bet 3060, collected 6120, net +3060 [ Ts Qs ] [ a straight Ten to Ace -- Ad,Kc,Qs,Jh,Ts ]
sandart5 balance 5880, bet 5400, collected 2340, lost -3060 [ Qd Qc ] [ a pair of Queens -- Ad,Kc,Qd,Qc,Jh ]

***** Hand History for Game 6163729049 *****
slimfandango: srry
sandart5: lol sick
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:27:06 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (6120)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5880)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Kh, Jh ]
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600

slimfandango balance 6420, bet 600, collected 900, net +300
sandart5 balance 5580, lost 300 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163729394 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:27:13 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (6420)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5580)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Tc, Qd ]
slimfandango: v sick
slimfandango calls (300)
sandart5 raises (4980) to 5580
sandart5 is all-In.
slimfandango folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1200 with sandart5
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200

slimfandango balance 5820, lost 600 (folded)
sandart5 balance 6180, bet 5580, collected 6180, net +600

***** Hand History for Game 6163730209 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:27:30 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (5820)
Seat 4: sandart5 (6180)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 3d, Qc ]
sandart5 raises (3300) to 3600
slimfandango folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200

slimfandango balance 5220, lost 600 (folded)
sandart5 balance 6780, bet 3600, collected 4200, net +600

***** Hand History for Game 6163730869 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:27:44 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (5220)
Seat 4: sandart5 (6780)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Qd, 7h ]
slimfandango raises (900) to 1200
sandart5 calls (600)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, 7d, 4c ]
sandart5 checks.
slimfandango checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
sandart5 checks.
slimfandango checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Tc ]
sandart5 checks.
slimfandango bets (1500)
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2400
Board: [ 7c 7d 4c Ah Tc ]

slimfandango balance 6420, bet 2700, collected 3900, net +1200
sandart5 balance 5580, lost 1200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163732449 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:28:19 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (6420)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5580)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 7c, 3d ]
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600

slimfandango balance 6720, bet 600, collected 900, net +300
sandart5 balance 5280, lost 300 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163732950 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:28:30 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (6720)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5280)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 8d, 9h ]
slimfandango calls (300)
sandart5 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ac, 2c, As ]
sandart5 checks.
slimfandango bets (600)
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200
Board: [ Ac 2c As ]

slimfandango balance 7320, bet 1200, collected 1800, net +600
sandart5 balance 4680, lost 600 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163733503 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:28:43 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (7320)
Seat 4: sandart5 (4680)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ Qh, 5h ]
sandart5 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600

slimfandango balance 7620, bet 600, collected 900, net +300
sandart5 balance 4380, lost 300 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 6163733755 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:28:48 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (7620)
Seat 4: sandart5 (4380)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 6c, 2d ]
slimfandango folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600

slimfandango balance 7320, lost 300 (folded)
sandart5 balance 4680, bet 600, collected 900, net +300

***** Hand History for Game 6163734248 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:28:59 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (7320)
Seat 4: sandart5 (4680)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 5d, 3c ]
sandart5 raises (4380) to 4680
sandart5 is all-In.
slimfandango folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1200 with sandart5
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200

slimfandango balance 6720, lost 600 (folded)
sandart5 balance 5280, bet 4680, collected 5280, net +600

***** Hand History for Game 6163734602 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:29:07 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (6720)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5280)
slimfandango posts small blind (300)
sandart5 posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 9s, 4s ]
slimfandango calls (300)
sandart5 raises (4680) to 5280
sandart5 is all-In.
slimfandango folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1200 with sandart5
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200

slimfandango balance 6120, lost 600 (folded)
sandart5 balance 5880, bet 5280, collected 5880, net +600 [ Js Kh ] [ high card King -- Kh,Js ]

***** Hand History for Game 6163735095 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 34546150) - Wed Jul 18 19:29:18 EDT 2007
Table Table 126998 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: slimfandango (6120)
Seat 4: sandart5 (5880)
sandart5 posts small blind (300)
slimfandango posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slimfandango [ 8c, 8h ]
sandart5 raises (5580) to 5880
sandart5 is all-In.
slimfandango calls (5280)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, Qs, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
Creating Main Pot with $11760 with sandart5
** Summary **
Main Pot: 11760
Board: [ As Qs 3d Kd Jc ]

slimfandango balance 12000, bet 5880, collected 11760, net +5880 [ 8c 8h ] [ a pair of Eights -- As,Kd,Qs,8c,8h ]
sandart5 balance 0, lost 5880 [ 2c 2s ] [ a pair of Twos -- As,Kd,Qs,2c,2s ]

[mdkilmer]

I don't care for it myself-- too much is sheer luck, not skill.

Give me straight draw 5-card poker.

[Sandra]

I love it. I'm back on Party Poker which has quite bad blind structures but the players are awful.

They can't be worse than me (but I try)

I've being playing a wee bit online with William Hill (as my bro uses them) they've just started a Low Limit Table for players who find the game a little daunting and helps me learn using real money (pennies really) but saves me being silly and lose a huge amount. Nothing at all like you play. My bro has been really lucky, I do really like poker but wish I could concentrate more

I've been watching PartyPoker late on the telly, Jimmy White was playing last night, he's good for being a snooker player.

[MargeC]

I don't care for it myself-- too much is sheer luck, not skill.

Give me straight draw 5-card poker.

I love draw, especially lowball A-5 or 2-7

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lC7h5gh1Yg0


Poker (holdem included) includes some luck, however the skill involved is substantial. A better player will earn more than a worse player. A good player will easily earn money over the medium and long term, a poor player will probably lose money over the medium/long term. There are so many poor players making frequent mistakes that even a mediocre player will have a significant and useable skill edge over them. This is why the same professionals are at the top of the world rankings YEAR ON YEAR and that the best professionals almost never undergo a losing year. If the game was dominated by luck over skill, this could not possibly be the case.
When I play, I play a very risk-averse style, even in cash games. When I call a large raise or make a large bet, I am doing so knowing that my own hand is strong, perhaps the best hand possible, but normally having a decent amount of historic or situational knowledge that allows me to narrow my opponent down to a small range of holdings.
In the hands I showed, this is a quite rare situation where all of the players mostly have small stacks relative to the blinds. At the end, for example, the big blind is 600 chips, each player has about 6000 chips. If you see the flop (600) call a bet on the turn (600) and the river (600). You have lost about 1/3 of your stack right there! He could have anything, hit anything, and if you keep folding preflop with mediocre hands you lose one tenth of your stack right there!

The funny thing is though that his entire stack went in with a very poor holding, that is at very best 50 50 against any other holding. I would never have made this move here 'out of position' for my whole stack when stacks were even. I also knew to call with my 88 because any hand that was beating me was not played out in this way. So the game was decided on skill in the end........

I have played 100 sit n goes on Party this month, First and second positions pay (60%/40%). My results are:

Did not cash: 25
First: 32
Second: 43

The luck factor begins to be outbalanced pretty quickly.

[ohlia]

It won't hurt to rely on both but I think skills come in handy after one runs out of luck.

[MargeC]

It won't hurt to rely on both but I think skills come in handy after one runs out of luck.

yep good point!
sometimes luck kicks in when I forget what skill is. happened a bit this evening

[Sandra]

It won't hurt to rely on both but I think skills come in handy after one runs out of luck.

"hey, hey" ohlia, luck came in handy when my 'non skill' ran out earlier, lol, makes a change, I seem to have found a friend who wants to teach me

(do you play poker olhia)

[ohlia]

I don't actually play anymore, only when I meet up with one of my very old and dear friend we get a chance to play. When you get a hang of the basics, practice/play as often as you can. Eventually you will develop your own skill or technique. Good luck!

[Sandra]

I've decided, my friend bill is not interested in teaching me poker anymore as I'm so sh*t at it. I'll just stick to going to the Casino once a month with my mate Ronny, she's such a scream and we have a good laugh at other peoples expense

[bermbits]

Some time ago, I tried to learn from an online site. It seemed fairly hard to learn, but I followed some basic rules I found and won my first "tournament" big time! It was also my last time.

[Flawless]

I play it every once in a while.