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Postby AJRC_CS » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:18 am

OMG, out comes the pathetic anti-American mantra. Really Bedford being critical of something doesn't mean you hate it, being critical of America, or more importantly to you, being critical of Dubya does not mean Jerry hates America. In fact being critical of something means you sometimes love what you're being critical of but have seen many bad things happen to change the thing you love and want them to change for the better.

Saying someone is anti-American because they are critical of America is like saying i'm anti-American for being critical of you. You see there are two types of political people in this world, you have the loyalists and the patriots. The loyalists love their government and only their government, when the opposite government is in power they hate their country. A patriot loves their country no matter what government is in power, but will be critical of any government that damages their country. A loyalist will always shout anti-American if you're critical of his government. A patriot will shout anti-American if you genuinely attack America.

So please, Bedford. You try and make out you're intelligent, and you probably are, but claiming someone is anti-American because they're critical of your government is just plain dumb.
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Postby Bedford » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:58 am

Honest criticism is one thing; a tired old mantra is another. :teach:
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Postby StVandal » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:07 pm

Good point, AJ. Really good point.

I think your retort fell on deaf ears, though.
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Postby jakimbro » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:45 pm

So what you're all saying is that bedford is an evil little man who can't be changed? I don't believe that. Somewhere he has a heart in all that hate.

But he is ever a fount of maliciousness and derision.

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Postby Bedford » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:42 am

Transference in action. Sigmund Freud would have a field day with you.

(Oh, wait, Jak won't know who Sigmund Freud is.) :oops:
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Postby AJRC_CS » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:55 am

Grow up, Bedford :!:
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Postby jakimbro » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:27 am

You'd be surprised at what I know, Bedford. I do believe you are misunderestimating me.

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Postby Skinjob » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:50 am

First it was "Bush is dumb". Yeah, he's so dumb that he supposedly lost two elections, but he's sitting in the driver's seat, and is the most powerful man in the world. Wow, that sure is dumb.

I guess the poverty pimp Democrats couldn't teach their morons how to use the Democrat approved voting machines. The morons are the crack babies that the Democrats farm for votes and tax dollars down on their old Victim Farm.

Whether the Red Queen makes it to the White House remains to be seen. If she does, she will give new meaning to "Devil With The Blue Dress". She's been wearing a blue dress trying to jump start Bill, but it isn't working. He's looking not only seedy, but knackered; and Hillary's chili taco doesn't look as good to him as a trip to McDonalds. They make such a cute couple. :biggrin:
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Postby AJRC_CS » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:14 pm

Iraq, now that's dumb. So dumb in fact that it lost Dubya Capitol Hill. Now the man sitting in the driver's seat, the most powerful man in the world, must go to the Democrats whenever he wants to do anything. Now that's really dumb :lmao1:

The last two years of the 5th worst Presidents term in office will be seen as a failure :!:
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Postby Bedford » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:28 pm

I thought y'all were upset because Bush isn't going to Congress with the rise in troops? :roll:
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Postby jakimbro » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:38 pm

Who is mad? I love the way Bush has run the country... See if you remember this:


President Clinton and Vice President Gore's Economic Plan:
Building the Path to Prosperity for America's Families
August 5, 2000
Seven years ago this week, President Clinton and Vice President Gore's economic plan was enacted without a single Republican vote. Vice President Gore broke a tie on August 6, 1993 to pass the measure in the Senate and President Clinton signed the 1993 Budget Reconciliation into law four days later. Their bold, three-part strategy established fiscal discipline; invested in education, health care, science and technology; and opened foreign markets so that American workers have a fair chance to compete abroad. Passage of the economic plan was a historic turning point, reversing 12 years of trickle-down economics and turning the largest deficit in history into the largest budget surplus in history. It also committed the country to a path of fiscal discipline that helped unleash the productive potential of the American people, contributing to the longest economic expansion in history, including the creation of over 22 million jobs, the lowest unemployment and inflation rates in a generation, rising wages and the highest homeownership rates on record. Today, working families are enjoying the benefits of this comprehensive plan and the course of fiscal discipline it established.

Clinton-Gore Economic Plan Restored Fiscal Discipline

The previous two administrations drove annual budget deficits to their highest level in history, piled up more debt in 12 years than the nation did in the previous 200, and quadrupled the national debt. Thanks to the 1993 economic plan, President Clinton and Vice President Gore kept their promise to cut the deficit in half in four years and produced three back-to-back surpluses for the first time in over 50 years. Fiscal discipline has resulted in real benefits for American families by keeping interest rates low and productivity high, and by creating the conditions for the strongest economy in our nation's history.

Slashed the Federal Deficit

- 1993 Plan - $500 Billion in Deficit Reduction: When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, the deficit was $290 billion and expected to grow to $455 billion by 2000. The 1993 economic plan contained $500 billion of total projected deficit reduction over five years, including $255 billion in spending cuts. Even before the Balanced Budget Agreement of 1997 took effect, the deficit had been cut to $22 billion in FY 1997, a 92 percent drop.

- Paul Volcker, Former Federal Reserve Board Chairman: "The deficit has come down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a lot of credit for that. [He] did something about it, fast. And I think we are seeing some benefits." [Audacity, Fall 1994].

- Today - On Track to be Debt Free by 2012: Today we have turned the largest deficit in history into the largest surplus in history and, under the Administration's budget framework, we are on track to be debt free by 2012 for the first time since Andrew Jackson's administration.

Lowered Interest Rates and Increased Productivity

- 1993 Plan - Fiscal Responsibility Produced an Immediate Drop in Interest Rates: Even though the recession had technically ended when President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, America remained mired in high unemployment and slow economic growth. The passage of the deficit reducing legislation almost immediately led to a drop in interest rates, which spurred investment and led to an increase in the rate of job creation, wage growth and productivity.

- According to Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, the '93 plan was "an unquestioned factor in contributing to the improvement in economic activity that occurred thereafter." [House Banking Committee Testimony, 2/20/96]

- "Clinton's biggest gift to consumers was the sharp drop in interest rates in 1993. Following the President's early drive to lower the deficit, the Federal Reserve cut short term rates while bond traders drove down long-term rates, sending 30-year fixed mortgages from 8.31 percent in November 1992 to 6.83 percent in October 1993. That's the lowest overall mortgage rate since 1971." [Money Magazine, August 1996]

- "Clinton's 1993 budget cuts, which reduced projected red ink by more than $400 billion over five years, sparked a major drop in interest rates that helped boost investment in all the equipment and systems that brought forth the New Age economy of technological innovation and rising productivity." [Business Week, 5/19/97]

- Today - Families have Enjoyed $2,000 Effective Tax Cut: Wall Street analysts credit deficit reduction with lowering interest rates by 2 full percentage points. [Goldman Sachs, GSWIRE Undistorted by the Budget Surplus, April 14, 2000]. This means that a family taking out a home mortgage of $100,000 expects to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments. Thanks in part to low mortgage rates, the homeownership rate increased to 67 percent in 1999 --the highest rate on record. Lower interest rates also cut both car payments and student loan payments by $200 annually for families taking out typical loans.

Cut Taxes and for Small Businesses to Create Jobs and Build the Economy

- 1993 Plan - Tax Cuts and Investment Incentives for 90 Percent of Small Businesses: The economic plan included tax cuts and investment incentives for small business owners, including a targeted capital gains tax cut, an extension of health insurance deductions and increased expensing. Ninety percent of American small businesses were eligible for a tax cut through incentives to invest in their businesses and create jobs.

- Today - Six Million New Small Businesses: Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore came to office, the economy has created over 22 million jobs. Over 90 percent of these jobs are in the private sector and 80 percent of all new jobs have been created by small businesses. Under the Clinton-Gore Administration, nearly 6 million small businesses have been created.

Clinton-Gore Economic Plan Invested in the American People

Not only did President Clinton and Vice President Gore reverse the failed economic polices that had resulted in a sea of red ink, they also reversed 12 years of neglect of working families. Their economic strategy invests in America's future by rewarding those who work hard and play by the rules. Their strategy has transformed America, so that we now enjoy the lowest crime rate in 25 years, the smallest welfare rolls in 30 years and the highest child immunization rate in history. Today, more young people are graduating from high school and going to college, more Americans enjoy clean air and clean water, and more Americans are confident about the future of our nation. The 1993 economic plan was the first step in this strategy, cutting taxes for working families, preserving and protecting Medicare, and making key investments and reforms in child immunizations, higher education, and research and development.

Cut Taxes for Working Families

- 1993 Plan - Expand EITC for 15 Million Working Families: President Clinton and Vice President Gore included a significant expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit in their economic plan to give a boost to working families who had struggled too long. The plan gave tax cuts to 15 million families, and the average family with two children received over $1,000.

- "I thought the Earned Income Tax Credit was the right direction because it helps people get off of welfare." [Speaker Newt Gingrich, Atlanta Journal & Constitution, 9/2/93]

- "One of the Clinton presidency's biggest accomplishments is also one of its least ballyhooed. We're talking about the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), which may be as boring as it sounds but which also may have more beneficial impact on some of the neediest American families than anything the government has done in decades." [Black, Minneapolis Star-Tribune, 10/16/1994]

- Today - Lowest Tax Burden for Middle Class Families in a Generation: Today, the EITC lifts 4.3 million working families out of poverty. And thanks in part to the expanded EITC and other targeted tax reduction measures signed by President Clinton, lower and middle class families bear the lowest income tax burden in 35 years.

Preserved and Protected Medicare

- 1993 Plan - Investments in Preserving Medicare: When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, Medicare was expected to be bankrupt by 1999. The economic plan attacked this problem by dedicating some of the taxes paid by Social Security beneficiaries to the Medicare trust fund. The 1993 Economic Plan extended the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by three years to 2002.

- Today - Medicare is as Solvent as it has Ever Been: Today, thanks to additional provisions to combat waste, fraud and abuse and bipartisan cooperation in the 1997 Balanced Budget Amendment, Medicare is expected to remain solvent until 2025. In addition, prudent management has kept Medicare premiums nearly 20 percent lower than they were projected to be in 1993.

Expanded Childhood Immunizations

- 1993 Plan - New Commitment to Child Immunization: In 1992, less than 60 percent of two-year-olds were fully immunized - the third lowest rate in the Western Hemisphere. The Economic plan contained investments to guarantee the health of children and prevent the easily avoidable costs of preventable childhood diseases.

- The Children's Defense Fund applauded the initiative and its results saying, "We are delighted that so many more American children are immunized and fewer American children are getting sick. This is truly a lifesaving effort. . . . [T]he president and first lady deserve a huge amount of credit for fighting for the [Vaccines for Children Act] and the immunization initiative in 1993." [CDF Press Release, 7/23/97]

- Today - Highest Child Immunization Rate Ever: Today, the nation's overall immunization rate for preschool children is at the highest rate ever recorded. And because childhood vaccination levels in the United States are at an all-time high, disease and death from diphtheria, ertussis, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella and Hib are at or near record lows.

Revitalized Communities with Empowerment Zones

- 1993 Plan - Created Empowerment Zones and Enterprise Communities: The Economic Plan contained the Empowerment Zones/Enterprise Communities initiative. The first effort included nine Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities. The plan provided a total of $3.5 billion in job and wage credits and other incentives to build and revitalize cities and rural areas.

- Today - Over $10 Billion in Investment to Revitalize 135 Communities: Today the Empowerment Zones/Enterprise Communities initiative has leveraged $10 billion worth of public and private sector investment in 135 communities across the country.

Reformed Student Loans

- 1993 Plan - Reforming Student Loans: The economic plan created the Direct Student Loan Program, which has cut paperwork and reduced costs for students and families and saved taxpayers money.

- Today - Saved Students and Taxpayers Nearly $8 Billion: Lower loan origination fees have saved students $3.7 billion to date and lower costs associated with Direct Lending have saved taxpayers $4 billion over the past five years.

Encouraged Investment in Research, Development and Job Creation

- 1993 Plan - Incentives for Research and Development: The 1993 economic plan extended the 20 percent tax credit for research and development expenditures and made it easier for new companies to take advantage of the tax credit. The plan also included credits to encourage employer-provided educational and training assistance and a targeted jobs tax credit.

- Today - Research Breakthroughs Fuel Economic Strength: Since 1993, the Clinton-Gore Administration has substantially increased the federal commitment to research. The Administration has made major investments in areas such as information technology, to develop high-performance communications and computer equipment; clean energy, to decrease our reliance on imported oil and fossil fuels; genetic research, including gene therapies and the Human Genome Project; and biotechnology research to find cures and treatment for diabetes, AIDS, cancer and mental illness. Funding for programs in the President's 21st Century Research Fund has increased by 45 percent since 1993.

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OOPS! My bad, Wrong President......

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Postby Bedford » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:46 pm

Actually, he just sponged of Reagan and the fact that the taxes were still not as bad as the FDR ones that had rules until Reagan. Plus, the 1994 elections raised confidence in the economy. The thing is, much was financed by short term bonds that made the economy look better than what it was, which is why the economy went down in 2000 and Bush had to do serious work to keep the country humming. :teach:
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Postby jakimbro » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:53 am

http://www.ed.gov/PressReleases/08-2000/wh-0805.html

That was a government agency not beholden to Clinton or Gore who published that information at a time when the Press, the Congress and everyone was hunting him like a mad dog. But even the Republaican haters could not dispute the facts till ten years after; when they had been in the White house long enough to falsify and obscure the facts.

You want to write www.edu.gov with your erroneous conclusions and argue with them? They would laugh in your face.
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Postby jakimbro » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:12 am

Well I contacted them for you with your word for word response to their archieved document. They will reply to me in five business days. Lets see what they say!


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Postby AJRC_CS » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:02 pm

I thought y'all were upset because Bush isn't going to Congress with the rise in troops?


Not really, because it's made Dubya even more unpopular with the American public. Only the extremists love him now.
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Postby StVandal » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:06 pm

AJRC_CS wrote:Only the extremists love him now.

One of my friends' parents in Mississippi, who are extremely right wing southern baptist facists, say they "may have made a mistake in voting for George W. Bush". haha.. I couldn't believe it when he told me.
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Postby jakimbro » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:46 pm

Wow- when the Southern Baptists turn against Bush...well the jig is up.

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