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Postby Yogi » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:38 pm

This web site is just full of interesting statistics and political poll information. The numbers may or may not be believable, but it is a very interesting read.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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Postby AJRC_CS » Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:38 am

Not sure how accurate these polls are, if polls are ever accurate, as it doesn't mention how many people were polled. But it does make very interesting reading. If the State polls are to be believed then Clinton is miles ahead with 14 States with her closest rival being McCain with 5 states. I think polls are always more interesting then accurate, even the polls i use rasmussenreports.com said in November that the GOP would hold on to both Congress and the Senate, DOH!.
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Postby Bedford » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:06 am

Don't forget those exit-polls that had Kerry winning, although we now know why (they oversampled women and urbanites).
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Postby AJRC_CS » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:26 am

Even rasmussenreports.com didn't get that wrong, they had Dubya winning by a slim margin. What actually happened was that Dubya won by the slimmest margin in American history, so sometimes polls do get it write. But they get it completely wrong more times than right.
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Postby Bedford » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:35 am

Not really. There have been a lot of slim victories in the past.
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Postby AJRC_CS » Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:16 am

True, there have been a lot of slim victories, but none slimmer than the 2004 election that has gone down in history as the slimmest Presidential victory in American history. Even slimmer than the 2000 fiasco. The only difference between 2000 and 2004 was that Kerry didn't want America's elections to become world laughing stocks again and chose not to contest Dubya's narrow win in Ohio.

Obviously Faux News had Dubya winning by a majority and Moveon.org had Kerry winning by a majority. But if you let yourself be swayed by political bias and agenda then you will always be wrong. The reason i use Rasmussenreports.com is that they are unbiased, so their polls are not weighted down with agenda. But as i stated they still get it wrong. No poll is infallible. If you asked say a third of the population of America then the poll would reflect what the population thinks, but mostly polls only ask 1000 to 2000 people, this can never accurately represent how a country thinks politically.

At the moment they have Gulliani the Moderate republican winning in the polls over Clinton the Liberal Democrat. If it stayed like that i would be very happy as i think Gulliani would make a great president. He is conservative on subjects like law and order but on more important social issues he's very Liberal, he supports abortion rights, stem cell research and gun control. You see i'm not like the zealots, i don't hate everything republican as the zealots hate everything Liberal. If a leader is good then i'm all for them, if they're bad like Dubya i will criticise them from day one. I think both Clinton and Gulliani will make great leaders, as i've said it's a win/win situation for Liberals, the zealots will see it as lose/lose. :D
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Postby Bedford » Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:24 pm

The problem with saying that 2004 was the closest with Ohio is that Kerry won by a much smaller margin in two other states than Bush won Ohio.

From http://www.uselectionatlas.org/

Kerry won my only 9000 votes in New Hampshire and 11,000 in Wisconsin

Bush won by over 118,000 votes in Ohio.


Now, Florida 2000 was close, with 537 votes.

Also, Gulliani is only slightly to the left of W. W isn't that conservative at all. With Gulliani having more testicular fortitude than W, he would be an improvement. At least Gulliani realizes who he can make friends with and who he can't.
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Postby AJRC_CS » Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:41 pm

I would say supporting abortion rights, stem cell research and gun control is just a bit more than slightly to the left of Dubya!

Try here. It clearly states Rudy Giuliani, Conservative: 25%
Moderate: 52% Liberal: 14%. He's more conservative than Liberal obviously but he's a hell of a lot more moderate than conservative.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Politic ... idates.htm

I think what would make the perfect government for 2008 is a Democrat Senate and Congress and Giuliani as a moderate President. It's only the extreme right wing that would lose, but Americans as a whole would win.
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Postby Bedford » Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:14 pm

I see the House going back to the GOP. The Senate is a toss up. A Democrat=controlled Congress would be good for European Socialists and 3rd World dictators, but it would hurt the USA, although it would mean a huge GOP take back of the Senate in 2010.
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Postby AJRC_CS » Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:44 pm

I don't think the present Democrat controlled Congress and Senate are hurting the USA, it's hurting the right wing extremist's, but it's not hurting the USA. But if you like, how about a GOP controlled House and Senate and Clinton in the White House. What i'm getting at is that the best US governments have always had one party on Capitol Hill and the other in the White House. It's when you have one party controlling both that you start having problems. Only the extremist's and zealots can't see this.

Really if i'm honest i don't care, i like all the candidates, it will be a moderate or a Liberal in 2008. So moderates and Liberals world wide win. And best of all, Dubya only has one more year and then he's out. I don't care if GOP or Dem gets in, Dubya will be out and on that day the world will breath a sigh of relief. Oh and i'll have one kick ass party. :drunk:
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Postby Bedford » Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:01 pm

Well, at least until the BBC tells you to hate the new president.
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Postby AJRC_CS » Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:12 pm

Yes of course Bedford. :roll:

How surprising another conspiracy theory, get the tin foil hat back on the Commie/Socialist/Marxists will be able to read your thoughts. :lmao1:
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Postby Bedford » Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:23 pm

It's not a conspiracy; its a fact. How else would have a hatred of Fox News awhen you have never seen it?

Plus, we conservatives are making grounds:

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Mar18/ ... on,00.html

With that, I think I'm finnished with this.
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Postby AJRC_CS » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:14 am

Bedford wrote:It's not a conspiracy; its a fact. How else would have a hatred of Fox News awhen you have never seen it?


:omg: I think you should get out more Bedford, you're obviously ignorant of the world outside your own back yard. I've never seen Faux News have i not, are you sure of that? Then it must be another Faux News i can watch on Sky digital satellite TV then, along with CNBC, ESPN, ABC the list goes on. Sky TV in the UK is owned by Rupert Murdoch, mmmm i wonder what else he owns? :roll:

So you see your facts are like your spelling, pathetic!

"When ignorance is King, facts are the greatest enemy."

And me hating the next president? Well to put that conspiracy theory to rest i liked Bush 1, i fought in his war to free Kuwait, i thought he did a good job dealing with the collapsing Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War. I liked Clinton to begin with, i even fought in his war in Kosovo but i ended up not liking him. I know this will bring your world crashing down around your knees but people with open minds make their own judgements about people we don't let propaganda or hatred sway our thoughts. You see the extreme right wing hate everything Liberal, if something was good for their country but it was Liberal they would still hate it. Their agenda comes before their country. You see i hate Dubya i don't hate the republicans, but you Bedford can't see that, you hate everything Democrat/Liberal. Not because you know they're bad, but because you're ignorant of them. Ignorance breeds fear, fear breeds hatred.

Open your mind Bedford, stop letting others tell you what to say and think.
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Postby Bedford » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:43 am

You are the one who believes all the garbage force fed you. Sorta like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo

I'd say you have been brainwashed, but that would be one small load.
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Postby Skinjob » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:14 pm

When you don't know anything about people, AJRC, you dream-up and express a persona that fits them to your liking. Dishonest and odious, it is usually exaggerated and invented by you. That makes you a BULLY, not a brain.

The same thing that finally got you banned from CereScape is taking place here, brinksmanship. You travel the edge and take your insults as far as you can go. How often do you ever post anything of substance on any other topic? Where is it? Whenever someone challenges your politics and your venom for people that other's respect, you attack them personally. In fact, you bragged about "baiting" people on CereScape, and claimed that was the only reason you were there. Why are you still baiting people?

It's obvious to me that you use opinion, not fact, and then when that opinion is challenged you spring for innuendo and insults.

I would imagine that in your few years you've learned something about topics other than "leftist politics". I would sure like to know WTF it is? Anything you post is mental mush, and if it were food, people would starve to death on it. Shake hands with B.F. Skinner; Bedford is right.
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Postby AJRC_CS » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:36 pm

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