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US Senate votes for Iraq deadline

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:06 pm
by AJRC_CS
It's just been on the news here that the Senate has endorsed a deadline of March next year for the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. The House of Representatives has also backed the withdrawal deadline.

It won't be a total withdrawal, it will be like the British withdrawal, they will take the troops out in small amounts. I don't think a full pull out would be good for Iraq as it's still on the brink of civil war, but a slow withdrawal will work and will give the country back to it's rightful owners.

Maybe the troops can be sent where they're really needed, Afghanistan.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:11 pm
by Bedford
Bush will veto it, and then they have to start anew.

All it does is allow Democrats to act like 2 years olds and embolden Iran that they can get away with threatening the world.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:18 pm
by AJRC_CS
Bedford wrote:Democrats to act like 2 years olds


I kept the left vs right BS out of the post. Thanks Bedford for bringing it right back in again. I'm surpised neither of you has mentioned Clinton yet. :roll:

Also whether we're in Iraq or not doesn't mean squat to Iran, they just kidnapped 15 British navy personnel with the coalition right on their doorstep. The war in Iraq itself has emboldened nations like Iran, in the four years since March 2003 it's made them see that even a super power can't win a land war against a vastly inferior force.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:11 pm
by Bedford
Its people like you who wants the West to self-immolate itself that emboldens Iran.

If the SAS are any kind of men, they need to go get them and kill any Iranians holding them.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:24 pm
by Yogi
What needs to be recognized by the Washington administration is that Iran is a regional power than needs to be dealt with as an equal, and not contained or destroyed. It's in Iran's best interest to keep the peace so that the civil war going on in Iraq does not spill over into their own country. They can't do that as long as the Bush administration is set on putting them in their place and looking for excuses to bomb the hell out of them. Yes, Iran's current leaders enjoy letting us make fools of ourself because it makes them look good, but they also can do a lot to keep a lid on things.

You got things ass backwards if you think the Democrats are the ones encouraging Iran to be bold. It's the Republicans in power who are forcing them (and others) to defend themselves against the Great Satan.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:48 pm
by Bedford
Your advice, Yogi, is just what Jimmy Carter did. What did that bring us?

Weakness will not be respected in that world; only strength.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:16 pm
by AJRC_CS
Bedford wrote:Its people like you who wants the West to self-immolate itself that emboldens Iran.


Yes, Bedford. Because i and the majority of humanity disagree with you i must want the west to sacrifice itself. Next you'll be saying that anyone critical of Iraq is anti-American and a supporter of terrorism. :roll:

Bedford wrote:Your advice, Yogi, is just what Jimmy Carter did. What did that bring us?


Tell us oh sage, what has Dubya brought us? He's made the west look weak!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:17 am
by van
Kia ora Bedford

"I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid."

Have a nice day

Arohanui
Shalom
Bill

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:47 am
by Yogi
van wrote:Kia ora Bedford

"I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid."

Have a nice day

Arohanui
Shalom
Bill


:hysterical:

That's a great lead in to a classic put down, but I'll refrain from asking if you are now old and stupid. Ahem. Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

The bird's reply is once again what I've consistently observed from neocons when confronted with an argument they can't refute. They will either attack the messenger or try to divert the topic to something other than what is being discussed. EIther way, the critical thought is flawed.

What Carter did is not relevant to the current situation with Bush and foreign policy toward Iran. And, as AJ pointed out, if you are going to argue that point, Carter didn't kill off 3000+ of our dedicated soldiers for a lost cause. What merit does Bush's policy have over Carter's anyway?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:17 am
by Bedford
It is not a lost cause. It is the left that has made us look weak. Iran sees us as weak because we seem to have no backbone, which is what the Congress has done with pull out dates and other attempts to surrender.

And van, shouldn't you be annoying people by knocking doors. Someone like you, with a 43 IQ, should not get in debates with a God of Wisdom like me.

When the next 9/11 hits, it will be people like y'all that have blood on your hands, for you would not let Bush do what needed to be done. You're selfish desire to make yourselves feel good by raping the US of prestige is simply pathetic. :teach:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:38 pm
by AJRC_CS
Ok, lets break the idiocy down, it's not a lost cause? It's all the lefts fault?

Well after 4 years in Iraq with an estimated force of 160,000 troops the war has still not been won. The conspiracy nutjobs will blame the leftists or more than likely blame it somehow on the Clinton's. In reality no one is to blame except the government that started and now can't finish the war. Yes that's right folks, i'm putting the blame right at Dubya and the GOP's feet, right where it belongs. Dubya wanted this war, at the start a good majority also wanted the war. They had been sucked in by the propaganda claiming Iraq had WMD and was a threat to western civilization. But as time went on people started to wonder if maybe they'd been lied to, there were no WMD and Iraq was never a threat. This made people start asking questions. Now when the questions first started being asked, the voices were small and were easily shouted down by the extremist's who saw anyone criticizing Iraq as an anti-American. But this only made some stronger, more determined to prove themselves right and the extremist's wrong. Their strength made others take note, and soon the small voice had become a huge voice and then the whole nation was screaming for answers.

But the one person who could give them the answers (Dubya), was unfortunately a moron with the IQ of a mentally retarded house brick. Now the people have voiced their opinion with their votes, they found the GOP wanting and told them so by electing the Dems into Congress and the Senate, the people have spoken. The people, not the dreaded generalizing "trigger word" leftists, the people. They have said Iraq is a lost cause, because after 4 years the situation is worse than ever, proven by the moron wanting to send another 21,500 troops over. Yeah like 160,000 isn't enough to get the job done.

You want to know who says Iraq is a lost cause, ask the people!

http://tinyurl.com/23nj2j

Bedford, you a God of Wisdom? I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.

The next 9/11, you sound so hopeful whenever you say that, it's almost as if you want another 9/11 just so you can say "see i told you the leftists would cause this." But as usual your logic is flawed, if we use your flawed logic that means Dubya and the GOP were directly responsible for 9/11. It happened on their watch, so if the Dems would be responsible for another 9/11, the GOP must have been responsible for the real 9/11. Also would it be another 9/11, would they attack on the same day and the same month? You know i used to think Jakimbro was a conspiracy theorist, and he was, he just wasn't in your league. Your tin foil hat must be so thick now even the dreaded Communist mind beams can't penetrate it.

We would not let Dubya do what he wanted to do? Mmmmm, this smacks of a neocon floundering in a sea of desperation. So let me get this straight, the Dems since January are stopping Dubya doing what he wants to do, so what the hell has he been doing for the last 4 years while he could do what ever he wanted? The GOP had the Oval Office and Capitol Hill, and now you're bleating that in three months the Dems have raped the US of prestige. Dear God Bedford, if you're the God of Wisdom then we are well and truly screwed.

The top and bottom of it, and sorry if i keep saying the term 4 years over and over. But Dubya has had 4 years to win, and he hasn't. He's made America look like a bumbling fool, who can't even beat a small bunch of terrorists with 160,000 troops. Iran has been getting bolder and bolder since 2003, they saw how America couldn't even defend their ally when Israel was being attacked. I bet Iran had a good laugh about that. If it had been "Mission Accomplished" when Dubya wanted it to be then everything would be different, but the war has dragged for 4 years and things are worse now than back then. A new strategy is needed, a fresh set of ideas. It's the Dems turn now, and this time it's personal.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:53 pm
by Skinjob
:urfunny:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:26 pm
by van
Kia ora Bedford

It is the left that has made us look weak.


I see, there is nothing weak about you, it is just that you have been "made to look weak"

Brilliant sense of deductive logic!
Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.!

Arohanui
Shalom
Bill

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:04 pm
by bermbits
Wasn't "knee-jerk" once used to describe Liberals????
(Offered in reference to the oh-so-predictable responses we oh-so-often see.)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:21 am
by AJRC_CS
I think "knee-jerk" has been used to describe any number of political parties worldwide. The "look before you leap" mentality, so to speak. Or the more up to date "don't go to war unless you have all the facts, a winning strategy, and a clear exit plan if it all goes wrong." :D