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Who the heck is Ron Paul?

Postby jakimbro » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:49 am

Today I read my first article by Ron Paul or indeed first article about him and I know nothing about him. Meadow swears by him and others in my non-cyber life swear that I'd like him.. but I remain dubious. I was a Nader fan and it blew up in my face. I still think Ralph was right about so many things- how could he not be when he simply told the truth- but the media assasinated him. I do note they are not saying anything about Paul on the Mainstream Media- and that IS interesting. Anyway I have for you an article I found Ron Paul wrote back in 2004 and you might want to read it:

It Can't Happen Here
By Rep. Ron Paul
12-21-2004

In 2002 I asked my House colleagues a rhetorical question with regard to the onslaught of government growth in the post-September 11th era: Is America becoming a police state?

The question is no longer rhetorical. We are not yet living in a total police state, but it is fast approaching.

The seeds of future tyranny have been sown, and many of our basic protections against government have been undermined. The atmosphere since 2001 has permitted Congress to create whole new departments and agencies that purport to make us safer- always at the expense of our liberty. But security and liberty go hand-in-hand.

Members of Congress, like too many Americans, don't understand that a society with no constraints on its government cannot be secure. History proves that societies crumble when their governments become more powerful than the people and private institutions.

Unfortunately, the new intelligence bill passed by Congress two weeks ago moves us closer to an encroaching police state by imposing the precursor to a full-fledged national ID card.

Within two years, every American will need a "conforming ID to deal with any federal agency -- including TSA at the airport. Undoubtedly many Americans and members of Congress don't believe America is becoming a police state, which is reasonable enough. They associate the phrase with highly visible symbols of authoritarianism like military patrols, martial law, and summary executions.

But we ought to be concerned that we have laid the foundation for tyranny by making the public more docile, more accustomed to government bullying, and more accepting of arbitrary authority -- all in the name of security. Our love for liberty above all has been so diminished that we tolerate intrusions into our privacy that would have been abhorred just a few years ago.

We tolerate inconveniences and infringements upon our liberties in a manner that reflects poorly on our great national character of rugged individualism. American history, at least in part, is a history of people who don't like being told what to do. Yet we are increasingly empowering the federal government and its agents to run our lives.

Terror, fear, and crises like 9-11 are used to achieve complacency and obedience, especially when citizens are deluded into believing they are still a free people.

The loss of liberty, we are assured, will be minimal, short-lived, and necessary. Many citizens believe that once the war on terror is over, restrictions on their liberties will be reversed. But this war is undeclared and open-ended, with no precise enemy and no expressly stated final goal. Terrorism will never be eradicated completely; does this mean future presidents will assert extraordinary war powers indefinitely?

Washington DC provides a vivid illustration of what our future might look like. Visitors to Capitol Hill encounter police barricades, metal detectors, paramilitary officers carrying fully automatic rifles, police dogs, ID checks, and vehicle stops. The people are totally disarmed; only the police and criminals have guns.

Surveillance cameras are everywhere, monitoring street activity, subway travel, parks, and federal buildings. There's not much evidence of an open society in Washington, DC, yet most folks do not complain -- anything goes if it's for government-provided safety and security.

After all, proponents argue, the government is doing all this to catch the bad guys. If you don't have anything to hide, they ask, what are you so afraid of?

The answer is that I'm afraid of losing the last vestiges of privacy that a free society should hold dear.

I'm afraid of creating a society where the burden is on citizens to prove their innocence, rather than on government to prove wrongdoing.

Most of all, I'm afraid of living in a society where a subservient populace surrenders its liberties to an all-powerful government.

It may be true that average Americans do not feel intimidated by the encroachment of the police state. Americans remain tolerant of what they see as mere nuisances because they have been deluded into believing total government supervision is necessary and helpful, and because they still enjoy a high level of material comfort.

That tolerance may wane, however, as our standard of living falls due to spiraling debt, endless deficit spending at home and abroad, a declining fiat dollar, inflation, higher interest rates, and failing entitlement programs. At that point attitudes toward omnipotent government may change, but the trend toward authoritarianism will be difficult to reverse.

Those who believe a police state can't happen here are poor students of history.

Every government, democratic or not, is capable of tyranny.

We must understand this if we hope to remain a free people.

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst122004.htm
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Now I have been saying the same thing myself for years now- and have been called crazy by everyone... So Why can Ron Paul say the same thing and he is some kind of prophet?

What makes him so special?

What makes him right?

Convince me- I want to know why you would support him- when you ALL have been telling me to seek professional mental help for my political dissent for years?

I really do want to know.

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Postby jakimbro » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:02 am

Here's the article that I read about him:

http://news.com.com/Ron+Paul+The+Intern ... 00893.html

From the article:

Paul also opposed the United States' first war against Iraq, and the war in Kosovo as well. His political views are broadly libertarian, which means supporting ideas like free markets (less regulation), individual rights (junk the Patriot Act), lower taxes (eliminate the IRS), and civil libertarianism (legalize marijuana).
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Postby bermbits » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:19 am

For what it's worth, here's the Wikipedia link about him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
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Postby jakimbro » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:07 am

Damn! He seems too good to be true. He's everything what Republicans claim to be.

And that means he doesn't stand a chance. The media will ignore him or worse distort him and lie about him. He wull never be on anational televised debate. If he does get enoguh of the vote- it will just splinter the GOP when they run Gialiani as their candididate. And if he really becomes a threat- they'll blow his plane up like they did to Paul Wellstone.

If there is a 2008 election (and I'm betting 85% there won't be) the Great Old Ones have already annointed Hillary Clinton as the next president -
Its payback because she didn't divorce their boy Bill back in the 90s.

But she won't get my vote.
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Postby meadow » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:29 am

uh...for the record that was more ValleySailor but i'm definitely intrigued by him. i still have warm fuzzies for my homie Barack Obama though. there is an air of sincerity about him but we'll see. i don't think Ron Paul will be able to drum up enough support to make any kind of real dent to the average American "voter".
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Postby Flawless » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:53 am

The more and more I hear about him the more and more I'm liking him.
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Postby jakimbro » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:34 pm

IMHO: Whoever wins the next election (if there is one) is meaningless unless Bush and Cheny are brought to justice and their perversions to the Constitution are rescended. Otherwise it's just another Overlord running a Criminal organization disguised as a Constitutional government. It'd also be nice if they would pull out of Iraq- but we know thats not going to happen.

But I'll vote anyway of I can. I like Santa Claus. Also I celebrate throwing my vote away after each election by having a Guinness at the nearest pub and watching the returns. Till overcome with disgust I leave. One beer's worth is usually all the election lies- er - returns I can stomach.
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Postby AJRC_CS » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:04 pm

Unfortunately in this day and age funding for the campaign is the key to success in any Presidential race. Obama has amassed a fortune in funding as has Clinton. I very much doubt that Ron Paul will have the funds to compete with the big boys, so to speak.
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Postby jakimbro » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:30 pm

Maybe- maybe not Andy. According to that Cnet article I linked to above:

The online politicking has translated into at least some fundraising success: according to figures released last month, Paul's campaign was in better financial shape than those of McCain, Sam Brownback, or Mike Huckabee, and had raised $3 million so far this year. Obama had about $34 million cash on hand, by comparison, and Hillary Clinton had $33 million.


So maybe Paul has a chance. A slim one. If the Republicans wanted to win a presidential race the old fashioned way- by not CHEATING- he might actually win- legitimately. But of course that won't happen anytime soon.
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